cluelusshusbund Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Because we always see the sam face of the moon... som people say that the moon does not rotate on an internal axis... what do you thank.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjoene Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Yes it does. That is why we always the same side. It rotations in such a way it always faces earth with the same side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krydos Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Yes it does. That is why we always the same side. It rotations in such a way it always faces earth with the same side. What if the moon isn't actually rotating though? What if the moon is the only thing in the universe that ISN'T rotating, and everything else in the entire universe is rotating around the moon and therefore making it appear as if the moon is rotating?! Perspective, ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluelusshusbund Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 Yes it does. That is why we always the same side. It rotations in such a way it always faces earth with the same side. What if the moon isn't actually rotating though? What if the moon is the only thing in the universe that ISN'T rotating, and everything else in the entire universe is rotating around the moon and therefore making it appear as if the moon is rotating?! Perspective, ouch. How coud that be true... when from the perspective of the sun... the moon is seen to rotate on its internal axis once ever 27.3 days.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl58 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 While I'm not saying if I agree or disagree, it wouldn't be the first time that science was proven wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geoff Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Everything in the universe is relative to something else. You could take any point in the universe, and call it the "center", and you would be correct. The universe has no true center; objects are only relative to other objects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluelusshusbund Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 While I'm not saying if I agree or disagree, it wouldn't be the first time that science was proven wrong... Yes... science is self corectin... an not that science "proves" anythang... its the scientific method that produces facts about how thangs work... but is it you'r pont that science shoud be disregarded in the understandin of ourselfs an the universe in which we live.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krydos Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Perspective, ouch. Everything in the universe is relative to something else. You could take any point in the universe, and call it the "center", and you would be correct. The universe has no true center; objects are only relative to other objects. Precisely. Unless someone can get an actual perspective of the entire universe there is no way to determine what the center is or what the overall design of the universe is. By definition the universe encompasses everything that exists anywhere, and until proven finite we have to assume that the universe is infinite, and therefore it is impossible to get a perspective that can judge an infinite expanse. The earth was the center of the universe for several millennia until science proved that the earth rotated around the sun. Then later science proved that the sun is orbiting around the center of the milky way galaxy, but it is suspected that the milky way galaxy is probably orbiting or at least moving away from some sort of universal center point. If we could get a large enough perspective of the entire process from a large enough distance to see the overall movement of the system then we could make a guess to where the true "center" is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluelusshusbund Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 Everything in the universe is relative to something else. You could take any point in the universe, and call it the "center", and you would be correct. The universe has no true center; objects are only relative to other objects. To the issue of this thred about whether the moon rotates on an internal axis or not... how coud the longitude libration of the moon (observed from our planet) be explained if the moon did not rotate on an internal axis.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krydos Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 While I'm not saying if I agree or disagree, it wouldn't be the first time that science was proven wrong... Yes... science is self corectin... an not that science "proves" anythang... its the scientific method that produces facts about how thangs work... but is it you'r pont that science shoud be disregarded in the understandin of ourselfs an the universe in which we live.??? It might just be the fact that I'm not completely capable of understanding your particular sentence structure and grammar, but I think the point is that science never says anything with 100% certainty. That's why they use terms like hypothesis and theories. Scientists just say that with the knowledge that they currently posses this is their best guess as to how things work. Science is proven wrong all the time, and that's really the strength of science. Since it never declares anything as an absolute truth it always leaves itself room to continue studying reality and making better and better explanations of how the world around us works. Perhaps I'm off base, but I think cl58tools was simply saying that it was a scientific beliefs change all the time as new information is gathered. Apart from my above examples it was once believed that atoms were the smallest building block of matter and they couldn't ever be broken smaller. It wasn't too long before a whole mess of quarks, leptons, and bosons, etc were discovered. I don't think cl58tools thinks that science should be disregarded at all. It's just that science is always learning new things and revising it's theories to become more and more accurate. After all a theory is just a best guess as to how something works. cl58tools, sorry if I took your meaning completely wrong. Feel free to correct me when you read this. To the issue of this thred about whether the moon rotates on an internal axis or not... how coud the longitude libration of the moon (observed from our planet) be explained if the moon did not rotate on an internal axis.??? I already answered that though. It depends on your perspective. Maybe the moon rotates. Maybe the entire universe rotates around the moon, and everything except for the moon rotates. It doesn't really matter one way or the other. No one has enough perspective to answer your question with 100% certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl58 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 While I'm not saying if I agree or disagree, it wouldn't be the first time that science was proven wrong... Yes... science is self corectin... an not that science "proves" anythang... its the scientific method that produces facts about how thangs work... but is it you'r pont that science shoud be disregarded in the understandin of ourselfs an the universe in which we live.??? That is not at all what I said. I merely stated a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluelusshusbund Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 Unless someone can get an actual perspective of the entire universe there is no way to determine what the center is or what the overall design of the universe is. Except for you'r posible implication that the universe is designed (which woud be supposition)... you make a good pont about usin perspective to determine whether or not the moon rotates on an internal axis... an the fact is... from anywhare in the known universe (except our planet)... the moon is seen to rotate on its internal axis once ever 27.3 days.!!! ...I think the point is that science never says anything with 100% certainty. That's why they use terms like hypothesis and theories. Scientists just say that with the knowledge that they currently posses this is their best guess as to how things work. Science is proven wrong all the time, and that's really the strength of science. Since it never declares anything as an absolute truth it always leaves itself room to continue studying reality and making better and better explanations of how the world around us works. Very well said... thank you... an hopfuly... even tho you used the word "guess" you agree wit the link below.!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world." Perhaps I'm off base, but I think cl58tools was simply saying that it was a scientific beliefs change all the time as new information is gathered. Apart from my above examples it was once believed that atoms were the smallest building block of matter and they couldn't ever be broken smaller. It wasn't too long before a whole mess of quarks, leptons, and bosons, etc were discovered. I don't think cl58tools thinks that science should be disregarded at all. It's just that science is always learning new things and revising it's theories to become more and more accurate. After all a theory is just a best guess as to how something works. I dont know cl58tools very well an have no idea what they ment... but if you'r guess is corect then we all 3 agree.!!! ------------------ Maybe the moon rotates. Maybe the entire universe rotates around the moon, and everything except for the moon rotates. Here a queston... if the gravity from our planet sudenly disapeared... the moon woud continue to revolve aroun the sun... do you thank from the perspective of the sun... that the moon woud coninue to make a complete rotation on its internal axis ever 27.3 days.??? It doesn't really matter one way or the other. No one has enough perspective to answer your question with 100% certainty. Well let me be clear... im not talkin about absolute certanty... but i am discussin from the pont of view of mos likely probibility based on known facts... an you'r answr _that mayb the moon dont rotate_ is dependent on a posible an "unknown" universe... ie... supposition... my pont is... the bes factual understandin we have about the moons rotation is that it does in fact rotate on an internal axis.!!! While I'm not saying if I agree or disagree, it wouldn't be the first time that science was proven wrong... Yes... science is self corectin... an not that science "proves" anythang... its the scientific method that produces facts about how thangs work... but is it you'r pont that science shoud be disregarded in the understandin of ourselfs an the universe in which we live.??? That is not at all what I said. I merely stated a fact. To be clear... i corectly quoted you'r open ended statment... which begged the question i asked.!!! Krydos took a guess at what you ment by you'r statment... but i dont know if he guessed corectly or not... an even tho this is a discuss groop... of course you dont have to atempt to make it clear what you did mean by you'r statment.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hassan Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 It rotates Its a scientific fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluelusshusbund Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 From the perspective of earth... the moon doesn't appear to be rotating on an internal axis... however... also from the perspective of earth... we observe the phenomenon of Lunar Longitude libration... and the only way this observed phenomenon can occur is if the moon does in fact rotate on an internal axis (if you dont agree then you dont understand Lunar Longitude Libration)... ie... from the same perspective (earth) the moon gives contradictory evidence as to whether it rotates on an internal axis or not... so in this esample... "perspective" is not the be-all end-all some might assert.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl58 Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 From the perspective of Earth, we cannot see the Earth itself rotating either, we are far to small and the Earth is far too big. Perspective does have a huge amount to do with this and everything else in the world. @cluelesshusband: On a separate and unrelated note, out of curiosity, are you a native English speaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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